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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: Internet Archive Starts Lending In-Copyright E-Books</title>
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    <updated>2010-09-01T10:27:20Z</updated>
    <published>2010-09-01T06:27:20-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63211</id>
    <author>
      <name>Douglas Fevens</name>
      <uri>http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>It is funny that the <a href="http://www.bpl.org/" rel="nofollow">Boston Public Library</a> never announced this service on their web site. (<a href="http://blog.bpl.org/dbblog/" rel="nofollow">Database News</a>)</p>

<p>Douglas Fevens, Halifax, Nova Scotia&#8212;<a href="http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens" rel="nofollow"><em>The University of Wisconsin, Google, &amp; Me</em></a></p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: Brantley on the Settlement and E-Book Rights</title>
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    <updated>2010-08-26T20:21:52Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-26T16:21:52-05:00</published>
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    <author>
      <name>Jerome Garchik</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p>A report in Publishers Weekly states that the Wylie- Random House/Bertlesman deal is to pay authors and their agents up to 40% of e-publishing revenues, as compared with only 25% authors would otherwise get from the publisers . Maybe I am missing something, but I remember that authors used to  usually get   50% on sale of subsidiary rights which is what e publishing rights were considered to be in decades past, so I dont see this Wylie deal being  a victory for authors. And Wylie takes 15% off the top of such revenues as agents cut too.
   J Garchik, SF Attorney</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: Brantley on the Settlement and E-Book Rights</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/25/gbs_brantley_on_the_settlement_and_e-book_rights#comment-63166" />
    <updated>2010-08-26T17:54:09Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-26T13:54:09-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63166</id>
    <author>
      <name>Frances Grimble</name>
      <uri>http://www.lavoltapress.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but what really matters are the actual numbers and economic choices and consequences for authors and their families.&#8221;</p>

<p>What REALLY matters is that authors retain control of copyrights they have not explicitly and voluntarily tranferred to Google or to their publisher, and not have those rights signed away against their will either by the proposed Settlement, or by any other mechanism.</p>

<p>I, for example, own e-rights to all my self-published books. I do not want them published in e-form, ever, by anyone. (At least, not while they are still under copyright, which copyright exceeds my lifespan.) My feeling is that sales of e-books not protected by effective DRM (which does not seem to currently exist) will be gutted by piracy within a few years, making attempts to sell them increasingly worthless. I can&#8217;t afford that&#8212;it takes me longer than that just to recoup my print costs.</p>

<p>Some other publishers and authors disagree with my publishing model. That is fine. As long as they have either created the work, or voluntarily sold or licensed e-rights and other rights (the Settlement also lets Google sieze print-in-demand rights), it&#8217;s legal. If they choose a business model and it turns out badly for them, they chose it and it is their affair.</p>

<p>It is NOT, however, anyone&#8217;s right to force their business model (of unprotected e-books, of POD books, and of forced distribution through Google, with Google taking a cut) on me, sieze whatever revenues they wish from my work, and blithely let me suffer the loss of my livelihood.</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: Brantley on the Settlement and E-Book Rights</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/25/gbs_brantley_on_the_settlement_and_e-book_rights#comment-63165" />
    <updated>2010-08-26T17:05:22Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-26T13:05:22-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63165</id>
    <author>
      <name>Jerome M. Garchik</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p>It would be helpful if Peter Brantly or someone else would cite the publisher/author shares of e-publishing revenues for comparison of the GBS, the Wylie deal, from Amazon/Kindle and for the i-Pad/Apple bookstore. So far we know the range is at least 63% in the GBS(less Book Rights Registry fees), and up to 80% for posting and sales on SCRIBD.
  Brantly&#8217;s piece is an interesting history of the negotiations over how to split the e-publishing revenue pie, but what really matters are the actual numbers and economic choices and consequences for authors and their families.</p>

<p>J Garchik, S F Attorney</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: Brantley on the Settlement and E-Book Rights</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/25/gbs_brantley_on_the_settlement_and_e-book_rights#comment-63155" />
    <updated>2010-08-25T22:05:11Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-25T18:05:11-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63155</id>
    <author>
      <name>Frances Grimble</name>
      <uri>http://www.lavoltapress.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Edward Hasbrouk and others have been arguing (I think correctly) that a main purpose of the proposed Settlement, from the publishers&#8217; point of view, was to gain e-rights from authors that were not explicitly granted in their contracts with those authors.</p>

<p>I too have been wondering about the delay in Google Editions. However, having worked in Silicon Valley, and seen numerous software projects progressively pushed further beyond their originally announced, overoptimistic release dates, I feel that Google Editions may be simply another instance of same. </p>

<p>Google has scanned enormous numbers of works old enough to be indisputably in the public domain. Google has also apparently cut deals with a number of publishers outside the Settlement. As long as the publisher-author contracts for those newer books explicitly grant the e-rights to the publishers that allow such a deal to be cut, there can be no problem with those books either. </p>

<p>In other words, Google could release a large number of books without violating any copyrights, so why not just do it?  Is there some advantage to also releasing all those out-of-print, e-rights-not-granted-to-anyone, and (I fear) helpless-micropublisher-too-broke-to-sue-Google works at the same time?</p>

<p>Fran</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: An Open Letter on the Open Internet</title>
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    <updated>2010-08-24T10:14:13Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-24T06:14:13-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63140</id>
    <author>
      <name>Douglas Fevens</name>
      <uri>http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>James Grimmelmann:</p>

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  <p>&#8220;Even if Google today goes ahead with
these [settlement] terms, Google five
years from now might not,&#8221; Grimmelmann
noted. &#8220;The settlement, for example,
only says that Google ‘may&#8217; provide
public access service.&#8221; &#8212;Publishers Weekly, <a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/44223-will-google-s-net-neutrality-shift-complicate-the-book-settlement-.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Will Google&#8217;s Net Neutrality Shift Complicate the Book Settlement?</em></a> </p>
</blockquote>

<p>Douglas Fevens, Halifax, Nova Scotia &#8212; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens" rel="nofollow"><em>The University of Wisconsin, Google, &amp; Me</em></a></p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Wrong Again, Zuck</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/10/wrong_again_zuck#comment-63138" />
    <updated>2010-08-24T06:13:48Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-24T02:13:48-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63138</id>
    <author>
      <name>john walker</name>
      
    </author>

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      <![CDATA[<p>or perhaps read this ?
<a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/10286630902806080" rel="nofollow">Belfiore, Eleonora(2009) &#8216;On bullshit in cultural policy practice and research: notes from the British
case&#8217;, International Journal of Cultural Policy, 15: 3, 343 — 359</a></p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Wrong Again, Zuck</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/10/wrong_again_zuck#comment-63075" />
    <updated>2010-08-16T23:54:26Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-16T19:54:26-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63075</id>
    <author>
      <name>john walker</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p>I  suggest that they should read the Book of Job.</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Wrong Again, Zuck</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/10/wrong_again_zuck#comment-63065" />
    <updated>2010-08-16T03:48:42Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-15T23:48:42-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63065</id>
    <author>
      <name>Frances Grimble</name>
      <uri>http://www.lavoltapress.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>John,</p>

<p>US money is still printed and stamped with the slogan &#8220;In God We Trust.&#8221; Maybe they think it makes the Treasury sound more reliable, with that kind of backing.</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Wrong Again, Zuck</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/10/wrong_again_zuck#comment-63059" />
    <updated>2010-08-15T04:22:04Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-15T00:22:04-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63059</id>
    <author>
      <name>john walker</name>
      
    </author>

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      <![CDATA[<p>Is there that much of a qualitative difference between the trust of a gift economy and  <em>trust</em> in &#8221; I promise to pay the bearer of this bit of worthless printed paper&#8221;?</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>About That Open Internet Thing</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/09/about_that_open_internet_thing#comment-63038" />
    <updated>2010-08-12T09:58:03Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-12T05:58:03-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63038</id>
    <author>
      <name>Douglas Fevens</name>
      <uri>http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_214a0127-547b-506e-92f0-479e5f116fbc.html" rel="nofollow">Eric Schmidt and Ivan Seidenberg: A path forward for an open Internet</a>&#8212;- FYI: A column in the Madison <em>Capital Times</em></p>

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  <p>Douglas Fevens, Halifax, Nova Scotia
&#8212; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/douglas.fevens" rel="nofollow"><em>The University of Wisconsin Google, &amp; Me</em></a></p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Wrong Again, Zuck</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/10/wrong_again_zuck#comment-63030" />
    <updated>2010-08-11T00:13:53Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-10T20:13:53-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63030</id>
    <author>
      <name>Frances Grimble</name>
      <uri>http://www.lavoltapress.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>We have a kind of supplementary gift economy right here in the modern US, although it&#8217;s broken down considerably in my lifetime.  Both gifts and favors (services, provision of valuable information) are considered as things that are &#8220;owed.&#8221; That is, they are given with the expectation of a future return, or given in payment for a previous gift or favor from the other person. People often calculate their number, nature, and value implicitly or even explicitly, as in &#8220;he owes me a big favor,&#8221; &#8220;the wedding gift I gave them was more expensive than the one they gave me&#8221; and &#8220;he helped me paint my garage last summer, so I can hardly refuse his request to help him paint his porch this summer.&#8221;  </p>

<p>This economy, however, usually depends on some kind of personal relationship, whether it&#8217;s friendship, family, community, or business. A certain tolerance is often extended, as in &#8220;she&#8217;s out of work, so I understand why she gave me an inexpensive wedding gift,&#8221; but if the giving of gifts or services is too one-sided the relationship starts to break down. Check out Dear Abby and Miss Manners for umpteen examples.</p>

<p>Businesses have exploited this personal economy for a long time, as in &#8220;if we send you a free ball-point pen, maybe you will feel an obligation to subscribe to our magazine, or at least consider our advertising instead of throwing it away unread.&#8221; But the Internet, and Internet-related businesses, have exploited this economy to the extent of breaking it down. E-groups consisting of hundreds or thousands of people are described as communities, but most of the members remain relative strangers, and membership is often anonymous or pseudonymous. So what happens is, a handful of people repeatedly supply the relatively higher quality of free information. Everyone else enjoys it with no sense that any return is ever required. There&#8217;s an assumption of a kind of Internet karma&#8212;no one feels obligated to return a favor because the person providing it will probably somehow, someday get some kind of return from someone else entirely. </p>

<p>And, Internet companies where the users are providing the information/favors/freebies&#8212;Google et al&#8212;are doing their best to exploit any remaining feeling of obligation by taking the credit for what the users give away (or what they sell and parties like Google have appropriated) and transferring that obligation to their companies.</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>GBS: 129,864,880 Books in the World (At Last Count)</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/08/gbs_129864880_books_in_the_world_at_last_count#comment-63027" />
    <updated>2010-08-10T21:53:33Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-10T17:53:33-05:00</published>
    <id>tag:laboratorium.net,2010://2.63027</id>
    <author>
      <name>Frances Grimble</name>
      <uri>http://www.lavoltapress.com</uri>
    </author>

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      <![CDATA[<p>Another interesting point is that judging from the public-domain scans posted on Google Books and the metadata associated with those, it is clear that Google often scans multiple copies of the same title. Apparently, if it comes in from Library A they just scan it, if it later comes in from Library B they scan it again, if it yet later comes in from Library C they scan it yet again, and so on. With different cataloging data attached to each copy publicly posted. There&#8217;s all kinds of confusion in their public data regarding multi-volume works, as well as editions. Note that with 19th-century works reprints of exactly the same material are often called &#8220;editions&#8221; in the work itself. Sometimes the exact same material was simply retitled for a reprinting for marketing reasons (a practice that has not entirely disappeared).</p>

<p>Given all that, and setting aside the fact that Google is also scanning bound collections of magazines and lumping them in with books, I don&#8217;t see that Google is even bothering to count the number of unique books scanned. To be fair, the online library meta-catalog Worldcat also not infrequently has multiple entries for the same title, at least for older works. But Worldcat is not doing anything illegal.</p>

<p>I think Leonid Taycher&#8217;s post is merely an assertion that Google can, and will, scan all books, regardless of copyrights, lawsuits, protests by copyright owners, and any and all other actions on the part of everyone who opposes Google&#8217;s mighty will. Which is extremely troubling. I cannot address Jame&#8217;s statement as to what Google employees believe, but certainly any belief that pirating copyrighted works is good for society goes hand in hand with such piracy being extremely likely to yield enormous profits for Google. </p>
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    <title>GBS: 129,864,880 Books in the World (At Last Count)</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/08/gbs_129864880_books_in_the_world_at_last_count#comment-63023" />
    <updated>2010-08-10T16:56:59Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-10T12:56:59-05:00</published>
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    <author>
      <name>Jerome M. Garchik</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p>What I think is most significant about Leonid Taycher&#8217;s
post and calculations is that he uses a different definition of &#8220;BOOK&#8221; than that in GBS I and GBS II.
  This  suggests Google does not feel itself bound by the legal commitments it made when it signed and submitted the pending GBS I and II to the Federal Court, and that Google will do as it pleases based on business expediency regarding the publishing and literary industries, instead of observing the legal provisions and structures set out in the GBS . </p>
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  <entry>
    <title>About That Open Internet Thing</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://laboratorium.net/archive/2010/08/09/about_that_open_internet_thing#comment-63021" />
    <updated>2010-08-10T16:22:18Z</updated>
    <published>2010-08-10T12:22:18-05:00</published>
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    <author>
      <name>Seth Finkelstein</name>
      <uri>http://sethf.com/</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;And when the real day of reckoning comes for Google — the federal antitrust lawsuit — Eric Schmidt may be unpleasantly surprised at how few allies Google&#8217;s years of running a public-minded policy shop have won him.&#8221;</p>

<p>Nope. It&#8217;d be nice if there was a world where that sort of conduct mattered, but it sure isn&#8217;t this one. All Google will have to do is spread some money around (again), and bygones will be bygones. The top policy people won&#8217;t give it a thought, then almost everyone else will follow like falling dominoes. Anyone who points out the history won&#8217;t get heard, and can simply be character-assassinated if it even matters.</p>

<p>Having many bright engineers does not prevent Google as a company from having ruthless and amoral lawyers and flacks. That&#8217;s the mistake you make in your post above.</p>
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